From: "Ignacio Fco. Suárez Boville" informaticosmix com> Date: 19 mar 2001 Subject: name of the pieces, colours, symbols, notation... Yes, the use of "local" names is unavoidable. As it has been pointed out, Spanish and Italian names (the original names for western chess) did not remain and were translated to English, Russian, etc... Moreover, some of those translations are erratic and I personally think that where merely mistakes (like rook). Now, we internationally use those wrong translations and I don't whink this may hinder the game in any way. We keep using our names in Spain (and in Italy they should be using theirs too). The main problem with shogi is that there are not enough players to play it locally so we are more forced to play it internationally. This is a different case. The use of figurine notation when possible makes it easier for international players. So far, there is no way to play shogi but learning those japanese symbols (kanji), then let's use them as figurine notation. The main problem is that for some western people those glyphs look very similar and are therefore more difficult to learn. The idea of colouring beginner sets is not bad. Leaving the kanji symbols black for unpromoted pieces and red for promoted ones, we have room for colouring the rest of the piece. The mixed use of local and japanese names makes it more difficult for the newcomer. At least, we have a good vocabulary at Reijer's page. It would be a neat idea to split it to make a simpler one for beginners. We all insist in making it easier for the chess players. Experience shows that most if not every western shogi player plays chess too. As stated in this list, this discussion is relevant not only to the names of the pieces, but to everything related to shogi: squires, openings, strategies... P.S.: Are there no public domain TrueType fonts for shogi pieces? ============================================= Ignacio F. Suárez Boville Tu correo gratis en MixMail http://www.mixmail.com Encuentra a tu vecin@ en http://www.hispachat.com