IL=20 Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 8:31 PM Subject: Another request for rules clarification Here's a question: suppose I drop a pawn [on a file without any = other pawn of mine, of course] on the last rank of the board... I = understand that it *has to* promote, since otherwise it would not have = any legal moves available to it. The " Shogi Rules" that came with my = set say "At the end of any move beginning or ending in the enemy camp a = piece may promote." Well, when I place the pawn on that last rank, = doesn't that count as a move "ending in the enemy camp"?? So, can the = pawn promote there and then, or does it actually have to make a move in = order to be promoted? ... =20 The same question applies to the lance, of course, or a knight = entering the last two ranks. Without promotion, they would have no legal = moves on any subsequent turn. In my prior question I thought I had it all "squared away," but when = I started playing, I realized that the actual moment of promotion = changes the pattern of attack/defense and it's critical to know if, in = these three situations of "mandatory promotion", the piece is promoted = when placed rather than when next moved. Some of the rules I've read seem to be concerned only with how the = pieces move... and if that were the only consideration, then it wouldn't = matter whether a piece was promoted or not until it did move. But, from = the point of view of how the patterns of attack and defense change, it = makes a big difference if the promotion is "forced" as it is placed. Sorry if I seem unusually dense about this... I sure appreciate = your patience with a "newbie". =20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2626D.E6344DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Many thanks, Ian... both for the = clarification and=20 the book recomendation. I think I'm finally clear on how this=20 works!

Best,

Larry

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From:=20 BIGFOOT COM = href=3D"mailto:ian_stanley BIGFOOT COM">Ian=20 Stanley
To: TECHUNIX TECHNION AC IL=20 = href=3D"mailto:SHOGI-L TECHUNIX TECHNION AC IL">SHOGI-L@TECHUNIX TECHNION= .AC.IL=20

Sent: Sunday, September 22, = 2002 1:09=20 PM

Subject: Re: Another request = for rules=20 clarification

You can't drop a=20 piece in a place from which there is no legal move

ie

- pawns / lances may be not be = dropped on=20 the 9th rank - if they where dropped on the 8th they would promote = after their=20 next move.

- likewise knights may not be dropped = on the 8th=20 or 9th ranks

in the case of manadatory promotion = the piece is=20 promoted AFTER the last LEGAL move made eg pawn moved from the = 8th rank=20 to the 9th. as dropping on the 9th rank is illegal

A drop is not a move - it is taken = instead of a=20 move [the turn is still recorded as a move however]

furthermore ,

on the question reguarding whether a = piece has to=20 move in order to be promoted.

in order to promote a piece HAS to = - therefore if a pawn has previously moved = to rank 7=20

and has not promoted - it must move = again in=20 order to promote on completion of its move to rank 8. If you chose not = to=20 promote there - the next time it moves [ie to rank 9]

it will automatically = promote.

I would recommend to the beginner an = excellent=20 book :

SHOGI FOR BEGINNERS by John = Fairburn

published by THE ISHI = PRESS =20

ISBN no 4-87187-201-7 = price=20 $11.95

it covers all the rules clearly = opening lines=20 tactics and castling

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ORO NET href=3D"mailto:tlpitts ORO NET">T. = Lawrence Pitts=20
To: TECHUNIX TECHNION AC IL=20 = href=3D"mailto:SHOGI-L TECHUNIX TECHNION AC IL">SHOGI-L@TECHUNIX TECHNION= .AC.IL=20

Sent: Sunday, September 22, = 2002 8:31=20 PM

Subject: Another request for = rules=20 clarification

Here's a question: suppose I = drop a pawn=20 [on a file without any other pawn of mine, of course] on the last = rank of=20 the board... I understand that it *has to* promote, since otherwise = it would=20 not have any legal moves available to it. The " Shogi Rules" that = came with=20 my set say "At the end of any move beginning or ending in the enemy = camp a=20 piece may promote." Well, when I place the pawn on that last = rank,=20 doesn't that count as a move "ending in the enemy = camp"?? So, can=20 the pawn promote there and then, or does it actually have to make a=20 move in order to be promoted? ...

The same question applies to the = lance, of=20 course, or a knight entering the last two ranks. Without promotion, = they=20 would have no legal moves on any subsequent turn.

In my prior question I thought I = had it all=20 "squared away," but when I started playing, I realized that the = actual=20 moment of promotion changes the pattern of attack/defense and it's = critical=20 to know if, in these three situations of "mandatory=20 promotion", the piece is promoted when placed rather than when = next=20 moved.

Some of the rules I've read seem to = be=20 concerned only with how the pieces move... and if that were = the=20 only consideration, then it wouldn't matter whether a piece was = promoted or=20 not until it did move. But, from the point of view of = how the=20 patterns of attack and defense change, it makes a big = difference if=20 the promotion is "forced" as it is placed.

Sorry if I seem unusually dense = about=20 this... I sure appreciate your patience with a "newbie". =

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