From: Pieter Stouten shogi net> Date: 16 dec 2003 Subject: Problems with Topica as SHOGI-L host Hello shogi fans, There have been serious problems ever since SHOGI-L moved to topica.com, and I am looking for an alternative host. If anybody knows an organization or person that may be willing to host SHOGI-L (and preferably runs listserver software), please let me know. Any tips or pointers are greatly appreciated. I was considering moving SHOGI-L to groups.yahoo.com, but I can only add 10 subscribers per day, which means that to move all original SHOGI-L subscribers, I would need about a month. Although Yahoo may be better than Topica, it does not give me the amount of control I had at techunix.technion.ac.il and it also "encourages" subscribers to its lists to get a Yahoo account. So, are things all that bad, you may ask. Yes, they are. The migration to Topica cost me almost half the original SHOGI-L subscribers. Moreover, there are 5 specific problems that really cause a nightmare: 1) many people did not receive subscription invitations that I sent; 2) others tried to subscribe without getting a request to confirm and never got subscribed in the end (e.g., Giuseppe Baggio); 3) then there are subscribers that do not get any e-mails from the list although they are subscribed (e.g., Martin Danerud) and 4) there are subscribers that suddenly got unsubscribed by Topica (e.g., Richard Sams); 5) most recently Topica got blacklisted by Demon Internet (which affected e.g., Phil Holland) and probably other ISPs as well. So, I reiterate my request to please let me know of any potential alternative SHOGI-L host you are aware of! Thanks very much, Pieter Stouten SHOGI-L owner --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: shogi-l shogi net EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a2i6Ys.a7fLMV.c2hvZ2kt Or send an email to: shogi-unsubscribe topica com TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^----------------------------------------------------------------