From: Daniel Toebbens gmx de> Date: 21 jul 2005 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Changes_in_Elo_systems_low_end=3F?= This is a MIME encapsulated multipart message - please use a MIME-compliant e-mail program to open it. Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format - bitte verwenden Sie zum Lesen ein MIME-konformes Mailprogramm. --========GMXBoundary219721121951765 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Erase wrinkles without painful injections with Nexiderm SP. Nexiderm SP is clinically proven to reduce wrinkles by 68% Click=20 here to get your 30-day free supply. http://click.topica.com/= caadHlna2i6YsbnuqMaa/Nexiderm ------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht --- > Von: Jochen Drechsler=20 >first of all if there is a change in the rules of the elo-system it should= =20 >of course be documented on the FESA-website! The FESA-website will be=20 >redesigned and expanded over the next year. The exact rules of the=20 >elo-system will certainly be updated!! >If you have several players that start to play shogi and that by their >performance would all receive only 400 elo points (according to the old= =20 >rules) after their first tournament even if they scored a different number= =20 >of points (say one player won no game, the next won 2 the last player won= =20 >3 games among them two games against our players one and two), it would= =20 >seem a bit strange if not unfair that all players receive the same number= =20 >of points. >The better players of those might feel that it had no relevance whether= =20 >they lose or win and whether they play better than their beginner friends.= >That was the reason to remove the lower limit. Well, I can kind of see the problem - the 1st Ukrainian children's shogi championship is an example of it, as well as the following Rivne Open. I think I'm correct to assume that those tournaments initialized the changes.= But I still think that it was not a wise move, since the problem would have= solved itself within short time. After all, about half of the players in th= e tournament would have gotten points under the old system. Just hold one or two fast tournaments for total beginners only and you have created a nice list already. In any way, what did you (that is FESA) do. Changing the minimum rating fro= m 400 to 1 can not be everything, since it just would have shifted the scale and would have done nothing towards solving the ranking problem.=20=20 >In the last FESA-meeting it was also decided to award kyu grades lower=20 >than 15 Kyu for those players. --=20 GMX DSL =3D Maximale Leistung zum minimalen Preis! 2000 MB nur 2,99, Flatrate ab 4,99 Euro/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl= Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Need Emergency Cash? Get Up To $500 Now!=20 No Credit Checks, Easy & Fast Approval=20 Cash in you account Overnight! http://click.topica.com/= caadHk3a2i6YsbnuqMaf/911PaydayAdvance ------------------------------------------------------------------- --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: = shogi-l shogi net EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a2i6Ys.= bnuqMa.= c2hvZ2kt Or send an email to: shogi-unsubscribe topica com For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=3DTEXFOOTER --^---------------------------------------------------------------- --========GMXBoundary219721121951765 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = 
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Hallo Daniel,

meine Email (zumindest meine Anschrift= ) sollte =FCberhaupt nicht angezeigt werden im Archiv, weil ich eigentlich = Adressenunterdr=FCckung eingestellt habe. Ich hatte die Email auch direkt a= n mich geschickt - ohne Probleme! Hier ist noch einmal der Inhalt.

Be= ste Gr=FC=DFe,

Jochum.

Hello Daniel,

first of all if ther= e is a change in the rules of the elo-system it should of course be documen= ted on the FESA-website! The FESA-website will be redesigned and expanded o= ver the next year. The exact rules of the elo-system will certainly be upda= ted!!

If you have several players that start to play shogi and that b= y their performance would all receive only 400 elo points (according t= o the old rules) after their first tournament even if they scored a differe= nt number of points (say one player won no game, the next won 2 the last&nb= sp;player won 3 games among them two games against our players one and= two), it would seem a bit strange if not unfair that all players receive t= he same number of points.

The better players of those might feel that= it had no relevance whether they lose or win and whether they play better = than their beginner friends.

That was the reason to remove the lower = limit.

In the last FESA-meeting it was also decided to award kyu grad= es lower than 15 Kyu for those players.

Best wishes,

Jochum.


"Daniel Toebbens" <Daniel.Toebbens gmx de> schrieb am 21.07.0= 5 12:52:52:


Hallo Jochen,

Deine Mail in die Shogi-= L vor einigen Minuten scheint leer zu sein; im
Archiv wird sie auch als = leer angezeigt.

Daniel

> --- Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht ---=
> Von: Jochen Drechsler <drjochum web de>
> An: shogi@to= pica.com
> Betreff: Re: Changes in Elo systems low end?
> Datum= : Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:39:41 +0200
>

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